Over Unity – Cavitation Water Heater

Over Unity – Cavitation Water Heater

 

There has been a lot of discussion on my blog about the concept of ‘over unity’ or free energy.  Thane Heins claims to have developed a device that produces more than it consumes:

This device is an interesting water heater.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh_-DUKQ4Uw

It is a cavitation water heater.  What it does is basically bash and mash up water to the point that heat is produced.  It’s likely that they’ve come up with an ultra efficient water heater requiring no gas or fuel.  It would be electric powered in that it needs electricity to turn an agitator.

They go on to claim that they have measured output of their water heater at 170% efficiency.  If this is true, the proof would be simple.  Simply hook up the output steam to a steam turbine and use it to power the motor.  If the system runs speeds up (a feedback loop) you’d know that you have over 100% efficiency.

52 thoughts on “Over Unity – Cavitation Water Heater

  1. Your testing theory isn’t 100% correct in that you would need a steam tubine with a efficiency of 70%. I don’t know if they exist.

  2. I’m unaware of any kit. The basic principle is to agitate the water repeatedly. If you manage to build one, I’d be happy to post pictures etc.

  3. Bonjour,
    je me nomme Eric, je travail en ce moment sur la le pojet de la pompe a cavitation depuis un an. Je suis content de voir d’autre gens qui soit interresser, car c’ait vraiment un bon projet pour la terre. J’aimerai bien discuter avec d’autre gens qui travaille sur la cavitation.

    A la prochaine

  4. Ce tellement interessent. Je veux etre un distributeur de ces pompes a Toronto. Est-ce-que vous construirez des pompes? Avez vous des photos? Avez vous un modele domestique pour les maisons?

    Excusez ma francais. Ce faire quelques annes que je n’avais parlez en francais.

  5. The statment that the tesla turbine is 60-95% efficient is incorrect. It can be 95%+ if one only considers the blades. Including the inlet and outlets significantly reduces the efficiency. Axial turbines are normally in the 25-30% range with some in the lab at 40-50%. A gas turbine can have an efficiency in the high 80’s% for thermal conversion.

    Also keep in mind that if the turbine conversion efficiency is 80% and you have a generator efficiency of 85% the total conversion efficency is 69%. Not enough for closed loop in this case.

  6. I don’t agree with your test.

    As has been said, there is too much energy loss to create a closed-loop circuit or any sort of perpetual motion.

  7. I am sure that none of the companies building these professionally and selling them even consider that this is in anyway ‘over unity’.
    If it was over unity, it would not need such a big honking motor and so much power to drive it.

  8. It could be an error in measurement. It is difficult to accurately measure AC power as the voltage is constantly fluctuating, it is even more difficult to measure power when the current fluctuates differently than the voltage – as is frequently the case with large electric motors! So the measurements may be off by a considrable degree, leading them to think it is using less power than it really is.

    Or perhaps they didn’t measure power at all, and simply did their calculations using the HP rating of the motor. This could lead to even greater errors, as most motors are capable of producing more than their rated HP under certain conditions, especially if the voltage is higher than normal.

  9. 170% efficiency has a theoretical explanation, and it is not a perpetum mobile!
    Cavitation results in mechanical destruction of the molecules, and there is a possibility to increase energy effectiveness index of a process considerably when the molecules are destroyed mechanically. Mechanical destruction of water molecules demands only 50% of the energy needed for thermal destruction of the same molecules. Consequently, further fusion of the molecules destroyed mechanically, will release quantity of energy larger than that spent on cavitation. When this is the case, energy effectiveness index of the processes cannot exceed two, which amounts to the theoretical limit of 200%. The reported 170% is well within this range.

  10. Cavitation results in mechanical destruction both water and the machine, so the gap between the rotor and stator would rise and the efficiency would drop in a month or two. That would require to change the two is this cost efficient ? I don´t think so.

  11. TO ALL WHO DREAM OF THE DAY!IT IS HEERE GENTS DONT BE AFRAID ,YESTERDAY IT WAS 130% TODAY ITS 150% TOMORROW ITS 200%
    PLEASE CONTACT ME TO SELL ME YOUR INVENTIONS I BELIEVE IF YOU BELIEVE!

  12. Lets be honest, it IS very simple to measure both the power in and the power out of that system. I’ve yet to see verifiable proof of the output power, just lots of people quoting 170% and saying “external observers have seen this”. Who are the external observers, did they set up their own equipment, or even know what they were doing, or were they just reading gauges and assuming? When this is proved in lab considitions by an unbiased team I’ll take great interest in it, until then it’s just another interesting bit of kit that works in a way that most people cant understand.

  13. Quoting “Options”:

    “Also keep in mind that if the turbine conversion efficiency is 80% and you have a generator efficiency of 85% the total conversion efficency is 69%. Not enough for closed loop in this case.”

    You’re thinking in a box. Do away with the electrical conversion completely. Once the process is started you could use the steam to drive the cavitation apparatus and disconnect the electric motor.

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  15. The design shown in the pic would not be very efficient indeed. The small diameter of the “centrifugal” pump would have to be spun very fast to achieve the desired affect. And your right, the motor is to large. A larger unit would have more ports or hole and the rpm would be slower to achieve the same affect. Pairing it up to a smaller motor would definitely be an excellent idea. The nice thing about this heat pumps design is that it has very low drag making it surprisingly simple to spin. A motor as large as the one in the photo is only good for the power company….lol

  16. I am currently using Google Sketch to design a basic set of plans that any local shop could machine for you. I would be willing to start an online collaboration on my or our works. If their were enough interest.

  17. I learn something new every day. Thanks for the hypothesis I look forward to reading further on the topic of cavitation.

    Thank you

  18. Dave, could you keep me informed if you work up drawings that would be useful in building the cavatation heat pump Thanks

  19. DAVE please keep me informed should you work up a set of drawings that would enable constructionof a cavatation water heater/pump Thanks

  20. Hey! This isn’t over 100% efficiency. When that is claimed, they completely discount water as a fuel. If you run out of water, the machine doesn’t keep producing.

    However, water is a readily available resource, so it seems masked as “free energy.”

    It isn’t a hoax. It’s simple science.

  21. If this heater is efficient, why is it not produced commecially??

    Why is this technology not shared??

    LH

  22. i here you may have some drawings for a cavatational pump i would love to here from you noel lynn

  23. Purchased a on demand water heater a couple years ago and think its great. If you are thinking of buying one, do your homework the application needed for your climate though. They can save you a ton on your energy bills.

  24. I actually hear that that is an issue. I read it somewhere that the parts wear from the bashing of the water, even metal parts. I’d assume that this would then lead engineers to establish a part life time schedule and use appropriate alloys and compounds to extend the life until there is an appropriate return on investment for the consumer.

  25. A petition has been started on Change.org for the US Government to release electrogravitics to the public.

    http://www.change.org/petitions/us-military-release-the-technology-of-electrogravitics

    Why This Is Important

    My early childhood was defined by My father’s excitement for His work in electrogravitics, then (1950’s) being worked on openly by all major aerospace companies. My father, a CalTech graduate and one of the top electrical engineers at one of these companies, would tell Me about the successes of His experiements (gravity control and overunity (free energy)), and tell Me what the world I would grow up in would look like.

    Cars would fly, cities would float, and We would have all the energy We could use.

    Then, one night He came home from work late and woke Me up to tell Me We couldn’t talk about the flying cars, the floating cities, the free energy anymore. “They want it secret for now.”

    Since My childhood, I have studied economics, coming to the conclusion (later confirmed by Jeremy Rifkin in His book, Entropy) that all money represented was meaningful energy expended. One can grasp this most easily by considering the first hunter, fisherperson, gatherer, farmer, miner. The stuff They gained/used was free: critters, fish, fruits, vegetables, nuts, seed, sun, soil, rain, ores. It was the meaningful energy expended that gave “value” to the stuff: the killing, fishing, picking, tilling, weeding, harvesting, mining, transporting.

    Add abundantly what money represents – energy – and the need for money (and the control of others it affords) in all its forms (barter, trade, work exchange, coin, bills, electronic funds…) will dissipate and what is left is free.

    Add robots to do all the necessary jobs no One wants to do to free energy, and Humans will be freed to follow Their bliss – within the three Laws:

    Do not willfully hurt or kill another Being
    Do not willfully take or damage another Being’s property
    Do not willfully defraud another Being

    (A Being (cap the “B”) is sentient, sapient; animals are beings)

    Waste would be virtually eliminated: supermarkets presently throw out hundreds of thousands of tons of food a month! Distributing by need and not profit will end this waste. Products would be made to last instead of being designed to break so as to ensure future sales. Theft-protecting packaging would be unnecessary. And so on.

    Organic farming would be prized and GMO (genetically modified organisms) would be eliminated.

    Motive for war will be virtually eliminated. With no profit motive for war suppliers and “infrastructure rebuilders,” wars will not be instigated to ensure profits.

    Poverty will not exist.

    Hunger will be eliminated.

    Education (at all levels) will be free for all.

    Replace the work “ethic” (a slave’s ethic: enrich the rich with Your Human energy) with a Betterment Ethic and the Humans who better things will be paid in appreciation, status, name-recognition and Self-satisfaction, the new “coin.”

    Create a central website where problems can be brought up locally and People can “vote” to bump a problem up, down, show apathy by not voting, and chime in with solutions (which can be cheered and booed). Issues will drop off after the original poster indicates that the problem has been resolved or withdrawn, or there has been no activity after, say, six months (that is not set in stone). Social responsibility will be defined as spending 15 minutes a day examining issues on this site.

    Also, issues with some set number of bumps up will be considered issues that need a wider awareness and go to regional sections. From there, continental, perhaps, and then global, as more are needed to be involved in solving the problem. Problems will beget the awareness to solve them.

    Without money as a motive, problems will be solved more creatively, directly, harmoniously, and within the three Laws.

    Leaders of the moment will emerge from this to solve problems as they arise.

    Open-source all public works programming. This allows for many to make suggestions for betterment, and ensures that no one will create outside the three Laws. It also eliminates “back doors,” and other surreptitious software segments that bog down the clean functioning of the program. Without money as a motive, programmers will be proud to offer Their work for scrutinization and use, openly and freely. Status will be gained for creating the best programs.

    Though this will not create a utopia, it will be vastly better than what We now have, in this scarcity-defined system, on this planet.

  26. The electricity requires gas or fuel source to generate, so the initial premise starts of with a lie and invalidates the entire context.

    In other words, FAIL

  27. even if you think it does not work … I explained my method works for system operation happened that you thought impossible has realized ….

    if you (controlled) the (accumulated pressure) created by this system of friction

    I told you all rest give thought like me or asked me questions

  28. All this tech talk, nothing learnt and nowhere been. HAS ANYBODY GOT A SITE WHERE I CAN BUY A DAMB HYDROSONIS PUMP FOR MY HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  31. We do steam generators without boiler electrodes. Rotation of water. Use of cavitation. No external heat source and the heat transfer surface. Heat generated within the fluid and there remains. No water treatment.
    Website: par-generator.ru
    Link to the video: http://youtu.be/Qkr68rclpYk.
    Cooperation and sales!

  32. We make a new type of steam generators, without boiler and electrodes.
    Have no analogues.
    Steam generators : hydro , cavitation , vortex ramjet .
    No external heat source and the heat transfer surface.
    Heat generated within the fluid and there remains.
    Stationary and mobile , autonomous .
    Electric and diesel .
    Operate at different water without water treatment.
    OUTPUT mode 60-90 seconds .
    Steam parameters : 160 degrees C ; pressure of 6 kg/cm2
    Capacity: 30-200 kg of steam per hour.
    Rotating wheels – heated water – it turns pairs .
    Scale is not formed – a very large rotation speed drives – more than 200 km / hour.
    Motor power – 55-110 kW / 3000 rpm / min .
    E-mail: par-generator@mail.ru
    Website: http://www.par-generator.ru/
    Link to the video: http://youtu.be/Qkr68rclpYk.
    CHANNEL Youtube – A 15426378
    We offer cooperation .
    Phone: +7-964-878-94-55
    Russia Saratov city
    Alexander

  33. My friend and I built this very same heater as your plans show. We have pulleys that are 4/12 on the 1 hp motor to 31/2 on the cavitator. The problem we are having is the time it takes to heat the water. The motor turns at 3450 RPM so the impeller is turning at 5000 or so. With the water standing in the machine it takes ten minutes for it to heat. With the water flowing we cant seam to get it to heat at all. We think it needs to turn much faster. Let me know what you think we should do. Thanks.

  34. It’s more than just an impellor, you have to design your rotor to create maximum cavitation. There are several designs with just a rotating block of metal with holes drilled in it.

  35. We copied your rotor with 64 holes 1/2 in deep and 1/2 in diameter. Our rotor is 4 inches in diameter and we have about .50 thousands of clearance. Are we on track? or are there plans for something better then what we have currently. If there are better plans were do we get them? Thanks.

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